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| bob moore, e-mail, 20.06.2017 19:20 To Ann, I remember the night of March 23rd 1965 well. We were the next flight out of Greenwood on 742 departing March 24th at 0930Z. (With Captain F/L Clarke.) We knew the plane was down.
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| Dave Bush, e-mail, 12.10.2015 01:55 My late father was part of the Canadair design / development team for the CL28 and flew on its maiden flight. I remember asking him why they had used piston engines rather than turbo props and he said it was for economy of fuel and endurance.
As a lad I was taken into Cartierville and allowed to sit in the co-pilot's seats of one of the prototype CL28's during an engine ground run, which was quite exciting.
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| andrew mackenzie, e-mail, 14.02.2015 12:18 The North Star DC4 seems to be missing from this site. Is there a reason for this, or is it an oversight?
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| James A Sparks, e-mail, 17.12.2014 04:37 I was an ABRP1 onboard HMCS St. Laurent and both Canadian and American Navy ships were doing exercises in the area. I was on watch in the Operations Room when the aircraft disappeared. We were in the vicinity of the crash within a very short time and found some wreckage and life jackets, but nothing else. It was a very sad day.
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| Brad, e-mail, 12.11.2014 01:22 Anyone fly with a Gus Baudais out there?
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| Peter Rowlands, e-mail, 11.08.2014 20:25 To help with my written memoirs, does anyone remember the names of captain and crew or crew# who successfully got Argus 712 to RCAF Chatham on November 4, 1966 with failed elevator controls?
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| Brian Hall, e-mail, 26.06.2014 05:38 I was a navigator on the Argus out of Greenwood with 404 Squadron 1960-62, and enjoyed the comfort of the aircraft on those long, long exercises: bunk beds, galley, and smooth flying (except when Hank Marcotte was treating it like a fighter.
When I left in August '62, the crew was split up to make two new crews, one of which crashed during a exercise in Bermuda late that year. I have often wondered if I would have been on that crew if I had not left the service.
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| Bob Cooke, e-mail, 28.03.2014 17:02 I was an RCAF Communications Operator (ComOp)at Stn. Greenwood and one of two radio operators (ground) for joint Exercise Maple Spring Board, operating our station at Roosevelt Roads, Puerto Rico. The night of the Argus crash, I apparently was the last person to have radio contact with that aircraft. The next day I was to fly back to Greenwood, (the exercise having been scheduled to end), on the ill-fated Argus. It was a tragic event that affected all members, friends and family, and something I'll never forget.
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| Jules, e-mail, 13.11.2013 16:00 Hello Ann, your father Ernest Perron was a good friend of mine on 404 Squadron. Would love to tell you all about him and the other crew members that day.
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| john Lyons, e-mail, 27.12.2012 11:57 Hello. I certainly do remember when your dad and his fellow crewmates died. I had left flying a year before. A dreadful loss. We will remember.
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| Ann, e-mail, 26.12.2012 01:55 Hello all - thinking about my dad James Ernest Perron who died on an Argus on Marc 23 1965 off of Puerto Rico. We are very proud of the work he did looking for subs during the Cold War but our lives have been changed immeasurably - God rest his soul and the lives of others that were never recovered that night. I was five years old and my brother 7 - anyone out there remember that mission or my dad?
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| John Lyons, e-mail, 05.11.2012 08:49 Of course it is an Argus. I was an RO with 405 I went from the Neptune to the Argus in '58. Incidently the mk 1 had the large radom. We did I'd 26 1/2 hrs on a flight with full armament. Cheers to others who I see here. Man, that was a long time ago
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| John MacDonald, e-mail, 06.07.2012 08:28 That is the old girl that we all learned to love. I was an Navigator on 407 Sqn and part of the 1971 Fincastle Competition with 404,405 and 415 Sqns in Comox. We all one shot at the trophy. Our shot was on 18Jan71, in 10720 with Captain Ken Waterhouse and from t/o to landing was only 5 hrs as the nose lookout spotted a snorkel, we fly into his "cone of no view" and put in the attack that we had practicing and got a white flare...so, we won that year and as a prize we were sent to Australia to be part Jucex and LongEx @ AJASS. What a great trip and learning experience.
Cheers...John
CFB Comox-407 Sqn 68-72
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| Ron Desharnais, e-mail, 05.12.2011 02:20 ...spent many happy hours in them, and loved them!
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| Ian Snow, e-mail, 07.10.2011 05:02 Those were the years ('67-'71, 415 Sqn). Piston engines for sure. I lived downtown Summerside and when the engineer did his pre-takeoff run-up on a quiet early morning one of the tea cups would start to rattle in its saucer. I think the earlier comment about a late 60's exercise was Ex Spark Plug out of Jacksonville. On our first sortie a huge front moved across Forida dumping so much water on the inner tarmac that the techs were able to smim. We diverted to Glenco after another a/c dropped 1500 feet trying to pass through the front. I was a fan of the APS-20. You could detune the receiver to reduce sea clutter and also run down the tx power as you homed in and more than once we got a visual before the sub figured out what was happening. Spent a month practicing radar homings on a stake in St Margret's Bay, got to the competition at Comox only to ignore the sub periscope for 15 minutes thinking that it was a surface contact. KD Murphy came home with the bombing trophy though. Great memories.
(F/O) Ian Snow
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| Jim Stewart, e-mail, 03.05.2011 04:53 It's an Argus alright. I flew in them as a Radio Officer with VP405 (Greenwood) and VP 407 (Comox). It was a great anti-submarine aircraft with top notch crews. My first mission was over 20 hours over the North Atlantic. Best NATO exercise was out of Jacksonville, Fl in the late 60's when four Argus crews "outkilled" two Orion squadrons. I was flying with Ken Branch on a make up crew and we got two confirmed "kills" in 30 minutes and got a commendation from CinCLANT - Admiral Wheatly. Some of the commenter's here were old squadron mates and seeing their names brings back some great memories of a golden age of learning about aviation.
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| bill mclaughlin, e-mail, 08.04.2011 15:01 I had three tours on the Argus as a pilot in command and as a flight instructor. It was a superb aircraft in all respects and the crew coordination and pleasures realized were awesome. The best crew of course was 405's A2 1959-62.
Before getting checked out on the Argus I was a pilot instructing from the back seat of the Harvard and Chipmunk. The Argus was more stable than either and easier to fly.
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| Gerry Regehr, e-mail, 12.03.2011 05:07 I flew the fleet of 32 Argus from '65 to '74 from Summerside, Comox, and Greenwood.
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| Larry Fike, e-mail, 09.03.2011 00:17 Correction on the email of privious message.
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| Larry Fike, e-mail, 09.03.2011 00:15 I flew 3,000 hours on the Argus out of 405 Squadron out of Greenwood from 1964 to 1969. I always thought the ASV-21 search radar with the smaller radome was superior to the APS 20 on the earlier version of the Argus. I once did a sucessful ASV-21 radar homing on a radio whip aireal of the British submarine 'Alcide'at 19 miles during an exercise (Maplespring) out of Rosevelt Rhodes in Puerto Rico. The aireal was kicking up a small water wall and we were 90 degrees sidways to it, so it made a target about 4X6 feet to read on the ASV-21. Since it was done during an excercise we scored big points.
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| Carl Pedersen, e-mail, 28.01.2011 20:12 My father flew many hours on the Argus out of Summerside during the early '70s with crew 5. He told once of leaving for a 16 hr patrol and comming back 9 days later!
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| Art Cuthbertson, e-mail, 05.12.2010 13:47 Just to correct the second comment by Chris, the RCAF ceased to exist on 1 February 1968 not 1988.
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| George White, e-mail, 17.11.2010 22:00 Chris is correct, 10741 DID do a ferry flight back to Greenwood on 3 engines (including take off) as he stated. Maybe the story behind it should remain a secret.
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| Chris, e-mail, 03.11.2010 22:14 <<
The photo is defenitely a CL 28 Argus manufactured by Canadair. I flew these a/c 4,788 hours as a Pilot and Instructor on 3 Sqdns. On the 21 jan. 1971 I was tasked to fly Argus 20741 from Saint Jean N.B. to RCAF Stn Greewood N.S. by doing a 3-engine Take-Off for an a/c ferry flight.(And it was successful)>>>
A couple of things to point out. St. Jean (not Saint Jean was) in Quebec, not New Brunswick. Why would you be flying from there when St. Hubert was close by. The longest runway at St. Jean is only 4,000 feet. And you say you did a three-engine take-off from there???? Secondly, the Royal Canadian Air Force ceased to exist effective the 1st of February, 1988. I was at CYZX for five years and never, I repeat never heard of anyone carrying out a ferry flight on three engines. I saw them come in many times on three engines though. Lastly, the Argus serial numbers were changed on the 4th of June, 1970. Argus 20741 became 10741 on that date.
Cheers...Chris
CFB Greenwood
August 1971 to December 1975
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| Keith Clifford, e-mail, 28.10.2010 04:22 While the surviving Argii population is small (5 I believe)it would be great to see one airworthy. It would cost a lot and I don't know how well the Wright radials would run on 100 LL Avgas. Just a thought
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| Ken MacLean, e-mail, 20.10.2010 01:45 Barry's comment above has the Argus radar systems incorrectly identified. The original intention was to have all Argus equipped with the British ASV-21, however this radar could not be delivered in time so the American APS-20 was installed in the original production batch.
APS-20, Large radome
ASV-21, Small radome
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| Bia Gallant, e-mail, 05.10.2010 02:41 This is definetly an Argus and is the first A/C I had the pleasure of working on as an AeroEng Tech in my career. I was in VP 415 Sqn CFB Summerside from 1979 till 1982. Nothing but good times and a great A/C
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| moun, e-mail, 10.08.2010 04:07 of of aba
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| Rory Kuziw, e-mail, 26.05.2010 03:15 Do any of you who flew the Argus or served on it happen to know or remember a David Gordon Reed?
If you do, swing me an email
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| Ken M Hamilton, e-mail, 03.03.2010 15:57 I was a pilot crew commander(VPCC) on the Argus with VP405 and I also was a pilot instructor on VP404. During some of that time, I flew the Argus air demonstration at various airshows around North America. There was absolutely nothing more impressive than an Argus approaching at full power and near maximum airspeed. The audio-visual effect was amazing. The Argus could always steal the show, and it gave both pilots and flight engineer a good workout.
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| Bill McKenzie, e-mail, 30.01.2010 19:31 The photo is defenitely a CL 28 Argus manufactured by Canadair. I flew these a/c 4,788 hours as a Pilot and Instructor on 3 Sqdns. On the 21 jan. 1971 I was tasked to fly Argus 20741 from Saint Jean N.B. to RCAF Stn Greewood N.S. by doing a 3-engine Take-Off for an a/c ferry flight.(And it was successful)
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| RF McElman, e-mail, 26.01.2010 03:18 THe Argus was replaced by the CP140 Aurora which was a deritive of the P 3 Orion.
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| Bob Cooke, e-mail, 26.12.2009 01:41 It most certainly is an Argus. While I was RCAF ground crew (ComOp) and stationed at RCAF Station Greenwood, I flew in them. In fact, I was possibly the last person to have radio contact with the Argus that crashed into the sea off Puerto Rico during Operation Maple Springboard on March 25, 1965.
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| Jean Lavoie, e-mail, 15.11.2009 22:50 The picture depicting 710 is an Argus mark 1 of the first generation, 710 is actually the first Argus and prototype built by Canadair in Montreal and is equipt , like all 13 mark 1, with the american APS-20 search radar wich has the big antenna radome, all others Argus (22)where mark 2 with british ASV-21 search radar with the smaller radome. The Wright engines where fitted for low specific fuel consumption (not for cost saving), on the 31 may 1974, 711 a 407 Squadron Argus mark 1 from Comox flew 31.1 hours straight with no external or added fuel tank
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| Barry, 04.11.2009 15:28 I agree it is a CL28 Argus. It is the later model with the larger radome that actaully gave a better performance than the earlier model with a smaller radome.
However I do not agree that piston engines gave the aircraft a better performance. The Proteus turbo prop of the original Brittania would have given a far greater endurance and range. I think more to the point the Cyclone was more of a low cost option.
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| Ken Wright, e-mail, 07.09.2009 00:18 The photo at the top of the page is definately an Argus. I flew over 2000 hours in the Argus as a Radio Officer.
Piston engins were specified as they gave a longer range than turbo props and gave us a longer loiter time mid-Atlantic. The Argus had the longest range of any aircraft until Rutan's arond the world flight.
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| Reed, 23.08.2009 06:34 The picture you have is not of an argus!
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| 3VI, e-mail, 25.08.2007 10:30 Photos inverted. This is the CL-44, and the one in CL-44 page is a CL-28...
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| 3VI, e-mail, 25.08.2007 10:26 Why Canadair replaced turboprops with piston engines? I think turboprop is the best way to push a patrol aircraft longer. It's a nonsense...
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| Marc Landry, e-mail, 27.01.2007 18:12 I am a former master navigator on the "Argus"; flew with RCAF 404 MP Squadron 1963-66.
I would very much like to acquire a dest model of the Canadair Argus.
Canyou inform me how to go about this?
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