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Ken Robertso, e-mail, 05.01.2023 22:48

Hi Richard, I happened to be looking for some dates for the SC1 at RAe Bedford when I saw your question about a NASA pilot. I was a test pilot on Aero Flight front January 1968 till January 1972, and I was project pilot on XG 905. Your father was the ‘boffin’ in charge of the project. It was Jim Patton who was visiting and he and and I became friends. I did a reciprocal visit to Jim’s Unit at NASA Langley and I flew with Jim in some of the aircraft used by the astronauts for flying practice. They also let me fly a Lockheed helicopter they had commissioned, and this was then loaned to us at Bedford. I greatly enjoyed working with your dad. Before me the SC1 project pilot was Stu Pearce, the father of actor Guy Pearce. It was a great time to be test flying!


Kenny Boyd, e-mail, 03.06.2021 06:36

I'm trying to find information on the test pilot J.R. Green that was killed October 2, 1963 flying the short sc-1 XG 905. Do you know where he was buried? I was related to him distantly.


Mike Pryce, e-mail, 08.03.2021 01:47

I have been researching the SC1 and would be interested to know a little more about Bill Chinn. His name is on many of the reports and meeting minutes.


Andrew McSwiggan, e-mail, 04.08.2020 16:15

Hi. I realise this comment was written a long time ago.

However Bill Lewis was my grandfather and has now since passed... Are there any fond memories or stories you can remember about Bill? I would love to hear them. As would my Granny. His wife Isobel Lewis. I believe she worked at shorts as well?

I hope this message finds you.

Kind regards
Andrew


Richard Chinn, e-mail, 17.12.2017 05:44

I was researching my fathers involvement with SC1 and note the comment about Bill Chinn by Jim Stark - My Father Bill chinn work on this project for many years part of Aeroflight at RAE Bedford. I remember his was always travelling to Boscombe down, Bedford, Belfast and Farnborough. I was probably only 10 or 11 at the time but I remember him inviting a couple a NASA pilots to our house in Bedford. I wonder whether this was either jim Stark and/or maybe James Patton?


Brian Phillips, e-mail, 16.12.2017 15:12

Whilst on "C" sqdn at Boscombe Down I remember one Sunday morning having to go up to the hangar as part of the duty crew, there we were met with an amazing sight, a huge grey box vaguely aircraft shaped but all out of proportion.
A team of Short Bros turned up and started to open the box and all was revealed bit by bit as first the wing boxes were removed followed by the box top half was lifted and there it was the SC1.
As Shorts did not have a radio mech with them, I was one of two radio mechs assigned to them to carry out all radio work.
What an experience, entrance via the top hatch and all


Trevor Phillips, 29.08.2016 20:25

This plane is pretty sick TBH. Doing a project on that :D


briandhumphries@gmail.com, 05.04.2015 05:13

My dad was a Rolls Royce service engineer at Short Brothers and Harland from the late 40's or early 50's. I was born in 1954. I still remember the the day he came home crying when the SC1's test pilot was killed in a gantry crash. His name was Mr. Green. I had friend, John Green in my class in school so I started crying too because I thought my class mates dad had been killed. I was told it was not the same family.

I used to go with my dad to work on Saturdays when had paper work and reports to do. I was allowed to play in some of the aircraft, usually Belfasts. I was not allowed to sit in an SC 1 or a Canberra because of the ejector seats but Shackeltons and Belfasts were fun. I remember being in the pilots' seat of a Belfast when it was being towed across the hard standing by a tractor driven by Jimmy Neil. The hydraulic systems still had pressure because my pressing in the pedals and the stick caused the rudder and flaps to move. When the aircraft was parked two men came to the cockpit wanting to know who the hell I was and why I was there. Jimmy Neil sorted out the issue. There were acres of single engine jets all parked, Sabers I think. On future Saturdays I went looking for opportunities to drive Jimmy Neil's tow tractor. Much more fun for a 10 year than sitting in a Belfast with the pilot's headphones on. I remember the tractor had a plate that said it was built in Battle Creek, Michigan. I closed one of the main hanger doors with that tractor.


Charles mahon, e-mail, 14.03.2014 14:20

I was in the AT&T on the mid fifties and we had a day out to Boscombe Down. The five of us were invited in to have look round the Naval hangar. There it was the sc1, never seen before. THers is one example minus a wing hung on a wall on the science museum in London.


Charles Glazebrook, e-mail, 11.04.2013 21:33

I think they should have invested half of that Money into the Self Rotating Wing? I have a Prototype of an Electric Powered version being turned by electric motors with props; see Twitter or r/cuniverse and it's Very Efficiante!


Margaret McClung-Curry, e-mail, 15.03.2013 14:57

The XG905 is in the UT&FM not the XG900 its in Kent. George I worked with Charlie Rogan until he retired - if memory serves in 1974. I was Secretary to the Chief Structural Test Engineer - Bill Lewis. Structural Test Engineers then were: John Porter (Section Leader), Ian Livingston, Fred Moore, Sid Anderson, Lawrence Rooney, Campbell Simpson + Paul Blake. Loved working in R&D. Arthur Stock was Head of NDT then. Alfie McLaren was Head of Composite Testing. Flt Test Engrs were: Peter Rankin (Section Leader) Stanley McCullough, Dave McKeown, Brian Dunn and Brian Mills. Long time ago though. Worked there from 1973-1980 then back to Tech Bldg for a year and then back to Hut 4 (1981-1982) for the design/development of the SD3-60 AP. My Dad, Sam Curry, worked on SC1 + Belfast + Skyvan. Cheers. :-)


Jim Stark, e-mail, 09.12.2012 19:20

Reason for my earlier query was that I tried to post two links. Did not work. Trying again. Might be of interest. Looks as if links are rejected. See BBC News re Engineering Heritage Award.


Jim Stark, e-mail, 09.12.2012 19:15

Is this site still active?


william lindsay, e-mail, 15.02.2012 22:59

The SC1 introduced many novel problems into the world of aerodynamics; the analytical team, I played a part, made use of Shorts analogue computers and a flight simulator to solve many of these problems. A bonus was using the simulator as "a trainer " for test pilots . William Lindsay.


George Ewart, e-mail, 12.11.2011 01:23

I worked in the Engineering Test Dept. during the embryonic days of the SC1 where we designed the various test rigs, including the Tethering system for the Hovering flight Rig, Control nozzle development rigs, the full scale dynamic hovering rig which rode on a large hemi-spherical air bearing. I still have my calculation sheets when we were estimating the resistance of this bearing when load tests showed we were within 90% of the measured values. All done on slide rules! We also engineered the engine installations for the RR Nene and 'Scimiter' RR Avon Engines used to provide the hot compressed gases for these rigs. Some names which come to mind are:- Jack Bisset, Ron Dunn, Charlie Rogan?, Billy Rea, Ray Balkwill, Sam Stirling, Rodger Godfrey among others who have escaped my memory.
Yes we pushed our luck then without Health & Safety to restrain us. Because of the intense international secrecy then we did not appreciate how far ahead the SC1 was.


John Baines, e-mail, 30.09.2011 17:10

I worked as an apprentice in the Flight Test department when the Short SC1 was being flown in it's tethering rig. My job was to hold up a hand held anemometer so that the pilot could see what the wind was doing. Exciting times!


John Baines, e-mail, 30.09.2011 17:09

I worked as an apprentice in the Flight Test department when the Short SC1 was being flown in it's tethering rig. My job was to hold up a hand held anemometer so that the pilot could see what the wind was doing. Exciting times!


arthur Deane, e-mail, 10.12.2010 00:56

in reviewing the data on the SC! was interested to see the name Jim Stark. I remember the name. I was an apprentice in hydraulic assemblly working on U/C and autostabloser. went on to work in stress office on various SC! related issues. Now live in Detroit


Jim Stark, e-mail, 12.10.2010 00:02

I spent several years working on the Flight Control System, mainly XG905 but also worked on XG900. I lost contact with the SC1 in 1969 when I changed jobs but that was the most demanding task I ever undertook. Hello Stan, we made contact a few years ago. To James M. Patton Jr, I was aware of NASA pilots flying XG905 due to a copy of a report sent to me by Bill Chinn, although my copy went AWOL after someone borrowed it. I agree that the SC1 was not retired in 1967. Perhaps that was XG900 only?


Ian Yeates, e-mail, 08.10.2010 03:02

My Dad Jimmy Yeates worked on this aircraft for many years,
I remember it flying at Sydenham, we did not see Dad a lot during the early days of the project.


Stan Corry, e-mail, 04.10.2010 23:11

I was honoured to have worked on this project for 11 years of my working life as the flight Inspector. This project took over most of the lives of the wonderful squad who were engaged on it.I remember almost every day of those years and was in Belfast, Boscombe Down and Bedford. What a wonderful conception this was right from the start.
I am now 85 years old and still dream of the days I was working on The SC1


James M. Patton, Jr., e-mail, 13.01.2010 18:48

As a research pilot at NASA Langley, I was a guest of the Royal Aircraft Establishment at Bedford - in August & September, 1971, I conducted 10 flights in SC-1 XG905 to obtain data pertinent to NASA VTOL research; the airplane was not retired in 1967, as stated.


Ivan Stevenson, e-mail, 05.03.2009 03:07

This plane is currently on display at the Ulster Folk and Transport Museum


martin collier, e-mail, 09.12.2008 01:20

what a great aircraft,where can i find blueprints for this aircraft as i would like to make flying model , radio control possibly 1/5th scale




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