Habibi, You were not part of the team, I was part of the team. Dont make a lie.
arnulf Jursa, e-mail, 02.09.2021 13:48
No, my dear Gezira, in order to understand, what we did between 1960 and 1967, you have to talk to someone who was part of the team, like me.
So, what ever you would like to know ... just aks !
Regards, Arnulf
Gezira, e-mail, 19.04.2020 14:02
In order to understand the history of the HA-300, one has to look at contemporary history and the (aircraft) engineers of the NS era. Many of them were then recruited by a central figure named Ferdinand Brandner to develop the Hispanic Aviation 300 aka HA-300 in Cairo, which Messerschmidt first designed for the Spanish. It was German engineers who had developed the aircraft in Egypt. Ferdinand Brandner wrote the book "Zwischen den Fronten" - a book worth reading!
erasmusguy, e-mail, 30.08.2017 14:28
Barry, Dassault did approach Fairey Aviation and there was some collaboration between the two. In return for technical data Dassault gave Fairey use of the test facilities at Cazaux.
Yehia Shalash, e-mail, 21.06.2017 19:35
To Mr. Yahia Al Shaer All the links mentioned in your post are not available. Are you still pursuing your project? If yes, what are the links? Thank you
Yehia Shalash, e-mail, 21.06.2017 19:30
To Mr. Ali Baba I am collecting information about the subject. Can you please leave me an email address where I can communicate with you privately? Thank you
Ali Baba, e-mail, 19.05.2016 09:02
Hi Folks, I think, I can clarify a few things. I have worked in the aircraft factory 135 from 1960 up to 1967. We have then employed 5.000 Egyptians in our factory, which we have built from scap as a greenfield project. We have developed and built the jet engine whereas Messerschmitt (factory 36) has built the airoplane. So, if you have any questions, just let me know.
Paul Scott, e-mail, 27.01.2015 22:08
True, the Mirage was more than likely the result of seeing the Fairey Delta 2 flying over the Dassault factory and the French are not one for shilly-shallying like the British, who, have the experience and knowledge but because of their lacklustre politicians fail to utilise potential.
David, e-mail, 05.10.2014 20:22
Wonder if performance would be improved with a smaller rudder and tail assembly
Ali Moussa, e-mail, 21.09.2014 05:20
My late Brother Mustafa Moussa and many friends were part of this project. I visited the place in early 1967 and it was main target for the Israeli offensive war of 1967. In 1968 Israel stole the blueprints of the French Mirage 2 and the it was most likely with the knowledge and collaboration of the French Government. It is now 47 years since then. Nobody knows what went on during this period except that the Egyptians took their revenge in the war of 1973 against all the odds. Without America's intervention in the Youm Kiporot war Israel would have had a defeat at a grand scale.
Barry, 16.09.2013 18:13
No way did the French steal the idea of the Mirage from this diminutive aeroplane. They more likely stole the idea from the Fairy Delta 2 which after it's record breaking flights in Britain went to Toulon and continued it's research there.
Yes omar,you dont say the Muslim stupid if you say like that you aren't stupid people bu you the dumbest monkey in universe,why?
Because Abbas ibnufirnas is muslim and he make the first wing in the world.
Omar, e-mail, 06.01.2013 16:06
did egypt invent this jet by itself?
ADF-01, 01.02.2012 19:54
Looks cool bro.
Mohamed Mokhtar, e-mail, 05.12.2011 00:42
Mark: But Messerschitt began his program on the 300 for Spain as early as 1952..There is no point to say who copied who..Development must build on what initially existed..True science and good knowledge tend to be of universal nature..Complementary,Integral and inclusion rather than exclusion..That's the way it ought to be..
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can anyone help me know how to become a fighter pilot in Egypt? I know it sounds silly.. but I never really knew.
pedro JALDO, e-mail, 29.05.2011 23:27
mi padre y yo mismo estuvimos en egipto con la fabricacion del saeta H200 (ALKAHIRA),EL ULTIMO TRABAJO QUE MI PADRE REALIZO FUE EL MONTAJE DE LA SILLA LANZABLE DEL PILOTO. LA GUERRA DE LOS 6 DIAS TERMINO CON TODO ESTO. MASNA 36 EN HELWAN, YO VOLE CON EL SAETA Y PILOTO DE PRUEBAS SR. ESTEBAN, OTRA DATO CURIOSO QUE EN ESPAÑA NO QUEDA NADA DEL H300 Y LOS ALEMANES TIENEN UN ORIGINAL EN UN MUSEO. ME GUSTARIA COMUNICARME CON MUSTAFA ABDEL-WAHAB
jordanian, e-mail, 13.03.2011 10:27
that is good experiment to arab world and egypt
Moustafa Abdel-Wahab, e-mail, 22.09.2010 16:34
The jet is now in Oberschleissheim (Germany) museum in restored condition
omar H, e-mail, 03.09.2010 17:10
where is the jet now? where do i have to go in egypt to see it?
Yahia Al Shaer, e-mail, 30.01.2010 20:50
We have started a Facebook initiaty, at the following address , to keep the Versions 2 and 3 in Egypt, as a national heritage of the military aircraft industry in Egypt .....
One of the projects killed by incompetancy and lack of money, and what else the west supremacy !!
R. Barrón Medrano, e-mail, 18.01.2010 00:24
Proyectado como interceptor supersónico,HA-300, para Mach.2 de ala delta. Inicialmente se costruyó en la Hispano Aviación la maqueta de madera(pintada en rojo)a escala 1:1, como planeador.El morro en metal y el resto en contrachapado de madera. Voló, el 25-VI-1959, en San Pablo (Sevilla),, pilotado por Pedro Santa Cruz,remolcado por un CASA C-2111 (He-111). Se vendió el proyecto completo con toda ladocumentación técnica, a la RAU,con fuselaje,ala y superficie de cola, tomas de aire y cabina. El primero voló en El Cairo el 7-XI-1964 y el segundo el año 1965 con motor Bristol Orpheus 703, seleccionado por la Hispano Aviación. Se abandonó el proyecto del cuarto prototipo como conse_ cuencia de la Guerra de los Seis Días.
ahed osama, e-mail, 15.12.2009 19:52
Mohamed Bahaa it's because the 67 war,Israel tried to break the Egyptian plans in every thing that had could been made in this time
Yahia Al Shaer, e-mail, 29.11.2009 20:31
There were thre units
HA-300 V.1 (Versuchsmodel 1)
This was the unit, where modifications on the fuselage were implemented and other corrections to the structure itself
HA-300 V.2 (Versuchsmodel 2)
This was the , which flew SUPERSONIC and you can see its photos as well within the link, I write at the bottom of my lines
HA-300 V.3 (Versuchsmodel 3)
This was the (pre-series production) unit
The HA-300 V.1 is being displyed in the Deutsches Museum - Oberschleissheim
The Ha-300 V.2 and V.3 are still in Cairo .....
http://yahiaalshaer.com/YS-H300-200-1.htm
You can see the Gentleman on the towing truck and is waving with his arm ..
He is the one, "Moustafa Abdel-Wahab" who mentioned, that he was working himself on the co-development of that great fighte A/C
Yahia Al Shaer
The Tutorial, e-mail, 02.02.2009 15:49
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Ziad, e-mail, 28.11.2008 03:20
can anyone help me know how to become a fighter pilot in Egypt? I know it sounds silly.. but I never really knew.
Thanks!
abcdef, e-mail, 14.07.2008 17:12
it is the old time can not return
Moustafa Abdel-Wahab, e-mail, 11.04.2008 16:57
I have worked myself on that great airplane at the Helwan plant, it is a pitty that it was not produced.
Aviator, e-mail, 28.03.2008 19:38
an informative article about Helwan-300, http://www.e-sac.org/articles/scripts/article.php?id=13&tit=Helwan-300%3A+The+Egyptian+Interceptor+Project&cat=avart
Marc, e-mail, 19.02.2008 14:21
I liked this fighter, a nice effort by Egypt with its foreign partners to bring it to the fore. Mind you, I don't think it's fair to say France took its inspiration from it - more the other way around, as the Mirage III started development in the mid 1950's
Mohamed Bahaa, e-mail, 15.11.2007 03:03
I also have a very confusing contradiction, nearly all references state that the first maiden flight for HA-300 was on 1964, but the indian test pilot who flew the aircraft says the flight was on 1963, so where's teh truth ?? http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/History/1960s/Kapil-HA300.html
Mohamed Bahaa, e-mail, 15.11.2007 03:01
Thank you so much for your reply, but let me get this clear, you want to say Helwan 200 and 300 are two variants with two diferent uses but they're the same aircraft ??
mahamed, 10.09.2007 15:18
this is ALQAHIRA-300 not HELWAN HELWAN is a premier traning plane with front engine
but ALQAHIRA was have 2 versions : 1- ALQAHIRA-200 FOR essintial traning with 2 seats 2- ALQAHIRA-300 for ground support
Mohamed Bahaa, e-mail, 27.08.2007 17:33
I have visited the no. 36 factory in Egypt myself, i heard this aircraft was something to be proud of in its times, i even heard that the French took their ispiration for Mirages fromthis aircraft, the question is: Why was the program terminated??? with no resumes after ????
