| Alistair Currah, e-mail, 26.09.2022 17:40 It’s worth remembering that a lot of ‘our’ technology was stolen first from the Germans.
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| JD, e-mail, 22.05.2022 02:07 Amen!
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| BEST OF THE BEST, e-mail, 13.10.2017 02:08 Miles m-52 could have been before bell x-1. If there had not been for some kind of people in England who were researchers, prayed to God every Saturday and saw the worth of the ugly ugly. These samples showed that England did not dare to blow the sound trap. Thanks to its city fools praying every Saturday they must be untrolight superstitious idiots. Had its little fox not been in England, miles 52 would be the first to break the sound trap.
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| David Gifford, e-mail, 22.02.2016 18:57 It's a long time since I spoke to Eric Brown, but his insider view was it was cancelled to rob Whittle of his ambitions as part of Rolls Royce's political game playing. Whittle was producing the most powerful jet engine of the time for the M52 and he was disliked by both the Ministry of Supply and Rolls. The M52 was a way of getting at Whittle
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| Keith, e-mail, 09.08.2015 18:41 Miles M.52 Gateway to Supersonic Flight - Capt Eric Brown in association with Dennis Bancroft was published in 2013. It tells the whole unsavoury story in great detail much of which had never been published before including the meddling of Barnes Wallis. It runs to over 200 pages with many photos and the original Churchill Directive, etc. It put the British Aircraft industry 10 years behind where they should have been and that was impossible to catch up with. That the US claimed AFTER Miles had been directed by the government to give complete access to the
visitors that it was against their laws is fantasy. They must have known beforehand and in all likelihood did not want Miles to see they had nothing to show therefore avoiding loss of face while getting all the critical information that they needed..
A government disaster followed by the Fairey FD 2 and them TSR 2 encouraged by vested interests.
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| Faulk, 15.07.2014 09:17 STEPHEN ROUND, SHUT YOUR MOUTH ABOUT WINSTON CHURCHILL! The man literally saved us from Nazism and was far and away the greatest leader we've ever had! Or maybe you'd prefer Chamberlain had been PM for the entire war. Wholly British. Great guy.
No, sorry, but BARNES WALLIS killed the M.52 with his paranoia for the risk of human life. The government couldn't kiss his ass enough for his work in WW2 and he had British technology by the balls for at least 10 years after the war.
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| David beavor, 18.04.2014 15:01 reading the comments as the designer and builder of the only radio controlled model of m52 and having to do quite a bit of research`some of the comment miss the point of why the two aircraft were built. Many pilots were losing their lives and so M52twos were built, one 700 mph the other 1000mph. RT136 had a ten chamber ram jei around the outside of the jet pipe. This was known as an athodyde.
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| Stephen Round, e-mail, 17.10.2013 04:21 The yanks would still be in the stone age - probably making cuckoo clocks like switzerland - if it wasn't for the avalanche of creative technological developments in Europe created by the two world wars
Churchill died an American Citizen - perhaps it was inevitable after all his mother was American .. and his father had been much less than a popular figure in this country. I do wonder just where we would be now if his mother had been English and he had been Our Prime Minister - working for us?
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| Gordon Clack, e-mail, 11.04.2013 21:53 Of course, the reasons why the Americans did not let the UK (and Miles) have any info on supersonic research in exchange for the loads they took away from Woodley could have been because they did not have any!! They are masters at taking up and developing others' ideas, eg. the jet engine (GIVEN to them by the UK in 1943), rocket technology and swept wings from the Germans,variable-geometry as devised by Barnes Wallis, the angled-deck on carriers, VSTOL aircraft, need I go on?
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| Gordon Clack, e-mail, 09.04.2013 19:07 At the time of the M-52's development, there was a so-called
bi-lateral "agreement" between the UK and the US to share all knowledge and research data into supersonic flight. Reps from Bell and the USAF visited Woodley where they were shown everything and given all the data they wanted. Away they went with all of Miles data and experience but it was then discovered that an Act of Congress forbade giving away sensitive data to another country! Surprise, surprise! Shortly afterwards the Bell X-1 flew super-sonically for the first time and one only needs to look at it to see its heritage. The M-52 and Winkle Brown could have done this is if our then government had not been so wimpish or was it put under unknown pressure as a later one was with TSR-2?
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| Gordon Clack, e-mail, 09.04.2013 19:07 At the time of the M-52's development, there was a so-called
bi-lateral "agreement" between the UK and the US to share all knowledge and research data into supersonic flight. Reps from Bell and the USAF visited Woodley where they were shown everything and given all the data they wanted. Away they went with all of Miles data and experience but it was then discovered that an Act of Congress forbade giving away sensitive data to another country! Surprise, surprise! Shortly afterwards the Bell X-1 flew super-sonically for the first time and one only needs to look at it to see its heritage. The M-52 and Winkle Brown could have done this is if our then government had not been so wimpish or was it put under unknown pressure as a later one was with TSR-2?
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| Kevin Granville, e-mail, 28.09.2011 16:06 I was priveledged to know the Navy Test pilot that was allotted to fly the M52. He was none other than Captain Eric "Winkle" Brown, arguably the greatest of British test pilots. He talks about the cancellation of the M52 in his book "Wings on my Sleeve". Read it it's brilliant.
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| Dennis Oldham of Milton Keynes, e-mail, 24.06.2011 21:06 Isn't it strange that a masterpiece of British genius should wind up looking strangely like the Bell X-1!!!!
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| M G Shore, e-mail, 24.01.2011 11:54 All plans and specifications for the M52 were sent to the USA under exchange of information agreements this information was passed on to Bell Aircraft. Bell-X1 fusalarge shape and proportons are almos identical as is the thin wing. Bell claimed the use of the elevator trim as an all flying tail was their idea?
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| John Burdett, e-mail, 24.11.2010 05:48 Hmmmm reminds me of another political decision to get rid of the CF105 Arrow. Missiles (Bomarc) produced in the USA would take care of all Canada's needs. Ha !
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| Harvey Harrison, e-mail, 12.03.2010 21:44 It was the labour government of Clement Attlee that cancelled the M52. Nothing complicated about it since those people and their successors were nothing more than Soviet stooges. These are the characters that started the nationalisation of British industry Soviet style. What better way to debilitate the Soviet's enemies than recruit and brainwash a bunch of British boneheads in high positions to do theor dirty work? I wonder why people still vote for Socialist governments in the UK. After all their main agenda that of Soviet stooges can no longer be fulfilled but they can still do a lot of harm.
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| Ali Duncan, e-mail, 26.08.2009 03:55 I just watched a tv prog about the Horten 228, which was a wooden swept wing twin engined jet flying wing, possessing a reduced radar signature of about eighty percent compared to a 'standard aircraft'. This aircraft, it was suggested, was to fulfill a design brief of stealth in conjunction with high speed, but not specifically to break the sound barrier. The americans have the original 228, and also fly other flying wing designs by the Horten brothers, with Northrop being the most influenced of the American manufacturers. It flew in Germany and to Dieppe, where it took ship for the states. A mockup has been built by the Northrop Grumman development team following the construction principles of the original, and found to have the radar signature as found above.It typifies the American Borg like tendency to copy good stuff, their assimilation of the same, and capacity to improve upon it. The valkyrie was way ahead of its time, as was the f111.
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| paul scott, e-mail, 18.08.2009 18:47 Yes, another crap piece of British diplomacy. The sharing of information, where the UK 'shares' its technical data with the USA - yet the latter welches on the deal in not passing anything back. The all-flying tail WAS invented by Miles, the M52 mock-up/radio controlled model was tested but failed to respond to the radio signal - but was about a 1/3 scale model (It disappeared out to sea where it was flown). Its speed though was registered at about 750mph - faster than anything at the time (Except V2's etc - remember this was a small jet and it took the Bell X-1 a rocket motor to get the record). Apparent reason was that the 'Ministry' felt it would be dangerous for pilots to test a full-scale straight-winged 'plane. Especially as (German) research had shown 'swept wing' technology was the only way to avoid disaster/faster speeds. A shame for miles and Britain.
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| Ivor Thomas, e-mail, 18.02.2009 07:06 I came across an interesting piece of information a few days ago on the Miles M-52 and in particular the all flying tailplane which Yeager maintains was a great secret. In fact there was a three page article on the M-52 published in Flight magazine (British equivalent to Aviation Week in the USA)published on Oct 3rd. 1946, which details the airplane including a three view, and has a discussion on the all flying tailplane on the M-52 and some of the reasons for it. So it was public knowledge at least a year before the Bell X-1 when supersonic. Again, a great pity the airplane was cancelled.
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| David Plummer, e-mail, 08.02.2009 21:06 Where did the dimensional specifications come from? (The fuselage length in the 'specs' is longer than the same dimension given in some other sources.)
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| martin jones, e-mail, 30.12.2008 22:45 Not about this aircraft but about the first through the sound barrier.
Do a google and search for George Welch.
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| tony, e-mail, 17.11.2008 22:58 This is the first example of the british governments distroying aicraft industry in UK, it went on to cancel the TSR2, the supersonic "harrier" and many more,
yes the Miles m52 would have done it, infact 2 test models where flown, the first blew up but the second managed mach 1.5 before flying out to see and was lost.
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| peter james, e-mail, 07.09.2008 13:59 It's a pity that politics,the usa and shortsightedness prevented this project feeling air under it's wings.Has any one built flying model or considered full scale build?
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| Aero-Fox, 14.03.2008 23:59 It's interesting, the British could have, and would have beat the United States to the sound-barrier if it hadn't been for a few factors...shame it didn't happen...
I read there was a German supersonic project during the war, involving an ultra-swept flying-wing design, but it didn't get past a glider mockup before cancellation.
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