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Heinkel Wulf, e-mail, 24.03.2018 11:14

I know Nationalism plays a part in the "it's just a cheap copy!" accusation, but it's gotten really stupid at this point. There's no reason why the same people who built the Great Wall couldn't create their own 5th generation fighter. It happens to vaguely resemble the F-22/F-35? So what? Due to the nature of things like planform alignment, most 5th Gen fighters are bound to look similar. I've also seen claims it's a copy of the Mig-144, and while it shares an overall similar configuration, the Mig lacked planform alignment, and wasn't stealthy (unless rumors of plasma stealth were true). By the logic of those calling it a copy, the F-15 is a "copy" of the Mig-25, the F8f a "copy" of the FW-190, the F-35B a "copy" of the Yak-141, and the B-2 a "copy" of the Horten 229. Similar configuration =/= copy. I've also heard cyber intrusion had alot to do with similar design aspects, but as an American, I find it insulting that some honestly believe our cyber security to be so weak. I'm not buying it.


Barry, 07.11.2016 18:04

Further to my posting 31st March 2013, it would appear that two J20 made an appearance at the China airshow held at Zhuhai on 1st August this year. The display consisted of both aircraft flying over at "several hundred feet" with one then disappearing and the other making a few high 'g' turns well within it's flight envelope before it too flew off after about a minute. Which may go to prove what I said three years ago.


ukiewolf, e-mail, 15.01.2016 17:43

Specifications Chinese Chengdu J-20
Data from Aviation Week & Space Technology
General characteristics
• Crew: one (pilot)
• Length: 20 m (66.8 ft)
• Wingspan: 13 m (44.2 ft)
• Height: 4.45 m (14 ft 7 in)
• Wing area: 78 m2 (840 sq ft)
• Empty weight: 19,391 kg (42,750 lb)
• Gross weight: 32,092 kg (70,750 lb)
• Max takeoff weight: 36,288 kg (80,001 lb) upper estimate
• Fuel capacity: 11,340 kg (25,000 lb)
• Powerplant: 2 × WS-10G (prototype), AL-31F (prototype) or Xian WS-15 (production) afterburning turbofans, 76.18 kN (17,125 lbf) thrust each dry, 122.3 or 179.9 kN (27,500 or 40,450 lbf) with afterburner
• Wing loading: 410 kg/m2 (84 lb/sq ft)
• Thrust/weight: 0.94 (prototype with interim engines)
Armament
• PL-10 SRAAM
• PL-12 Medium Range AAM


Klaatu83, e-mail, 17.08.2015 01:15

I remember when people used to say exactly the same thing about Japan:

"china copies everything from TV's to cars and their copies are very sub-standard. perhaps some day they will advance to a real world genius but that day is decades off."


del, 04.04.2015 06:52

Around 1972 I think, Nixon visited China and opened trade with them.A nation who up until this point was a communist country minding its own business.{not including the korean war} this would result in a great loss of manufacturing and other jobs in the u.s. thanks to companies like walmart, k-mart etc.selling low Quality,cheap goods and the u.s. workers not able to compete with the low wages the chineses are paid. our own politicians sold us out with very bad trade deals,greasing their pockets at our cost.this nation has woke china up.now they are building up their military with u.s. dollars and will soon out pace us. for now their technology is not as sophisticated as ours but they are catching up by hook or crook.I dont know if its true or not but I heard that the chinese stole f35 tech right out of the fighter by hacking its on board computer while it was in test flight giving them a wealth of stealth info. it is ultimately our responsibity to protect our tech.


shungjua, e-mail, 17.12.2014 12:37

you can put a leopard in a tiger suit but it doesn't make it a tiger. china copies everything from TV's to cars and their copies are very sub-standard. perhaps some day they will advance to a real world genius but that day is decades off.


Ruben de Jong, e-mail, 12.12.2013 13:56

To people weening about China has spyd america and steal their plane: al countrys copy eachother if a plane is good! No one copys a bad plane!Besides: about spying i say one name: Edward Snowden. 'merica shut up about spying..............


Barry, 08.04.2013 18:53

The Tu4 was a reversed engineered B29,but was not as well made as the steels used by the Russians were of inferior quality, which resulted in a very much heavier craft that did not offer the same performance. The Tu144 Charger was a superficial and faster copy of the Concorde but had nowhere near the sophistication of that plane, and that is why it spent the majority of it's short life flying mail internally in the USSR. It was not Marco (not Marko) Polo who said "let China sleep" but Napoleon, and to finish his quote "but when she awakes Europe beware". One, I think, should substitute "World" for "Europe".


Jim Goolsby, e-mail, 20.03.2013 14:49

China has over 1.5 billion people. They are bounded by numbers alone to have more "genius" than us. In engineering "design follows function". That is why all airliners look alike and why stealth jet fighters look alike. The difference will be in details. The details will determine performance and capabilities. Augmented to that will be pilot training and his "enthusiasm". Marko Polo was said "Let China sleep." I believe the next war will be with the radical Muslim nations. I'd want the Chinese on our side.


xxx, 13.01.2013 03:29

@hangarstuff

To a certain point, what you say makes sense, but in a case like this, it's obvious there was no design creativity at work here.


Giro, e-mail, 02.12.2012 16:32

Chinese have its F35: Project 310 by ShengYang ...


Andrew Hinton, e-mail, 19.10.2012 18:49

espinage in the Aircraft industry is nothing new. You only have to look at The Tu-4 and the B-29, Or the Tu-144 and the Concorde.Aircraft designers are notorious for coping what other contries have.


Aero99, 22.04.2012 04:00

Are the Chinese that bad at designing aircraft that they have to steal American designs? Stupid commies know it too! This makes me laugh!


Steven, 17.04.2012 02:05

Larry, China has been accused and is known to have commited cyber-warfare acts against the united states. Also, who do u think works on our planes and other tech when they are sent here from China, get degrees in our colleges, and then work on our most classified tech while leaking that data to China?


Steve, 19.01.2012 19:51

when will other Chinese aircraft like the J-10, JL-8, J-11, L-15, JJ-7, JL-9 and J-15 be added?


, e-mail, 04.11.2011 21:40

nobody can say this design is not nice, it is proud of China, we can do better..


hangarstuff, e-mail, 13.10.2011 03:07

All of you who accuse the Chinese of "stealing" the technology are showing your ignorance. Function dictates form and design. Titlest didn't "steal" the dimples on a golf ball from the other manufactures- it just works. Grow up and put your petty prejudices to bed.


Frank, 20.09.2011 16:28

Wow! It's like an F 22! Stolen western tecnology!!


rafael, e-mail, 19.09.2011 22:58

esse protótipo chines deve ter uma agilidade incrível !


lucas gustavo boaventura, e-mail, 03.09.2011 18:56

só tem esse da chengdu?


Ordinatio, e-mail, 30.08.2011 01:05

Diverterless Supersonic Inlet: Nice!
F-35 looks cooler so we win.


***, 03.08.2011 06:25

Where's the "8 1" in the red star in the side view?


Andy Woo, e-mail, 27.07.2011 07:03

Don't tell me when you solve the gravity problems you would not comply with Newton's theory .At least these stealthaircrafts we know also desinged with RCS theory.So there is no steal'talking. you can't judge them by looking resemble.


bobby tom, e-mail, 26.07.2011 03:02

Any 3 views on this aircraft?


ronei albert, e-mail, 20.06.2011 21:42

J-10?


Bill, 10.05.2011 20:51

it wasn't stolen...Obama gave them the plans to the F-22 then proceeded to cancel our orders.


Sravps, e-mail, 07.05.2011 18:32

Can someone tell me why the China section of this site is so incomplete? I have an interesting database in my head about chinese aircrafts, maybe I could help updating this.


P. Hesse, e-mail, 06.05.2011 17:54

This plane is full of western (USA) designs, that were undoubtedly ripped off.


Barry, 31.03.2011 18:28

Between the first flight and a fully operational, fully functioning 5th generation fighter there is an awfull lot of work to be done. I wish them well but have a look at the time frame of the FA22, the F35, the Su33/35 and even the Typhoon and they are manufactured by people who know what they are doing and then think what the Chinese with less experience have to do.


jordanian, e-mail, 13.03.2011 10:15

good job for the chinese


lucas boaventura, e-mail, 10.03.2011 19:46

devemos nos preocupar pois não comfio muito no F/A-22 Raptor
e também queria ver mais chengdu's


aldol, e-mail, 08.03.2011 21:14

if it works as good as the rest of the Chinese machinery we have got nothing to worry


Mark Brannan, e-mail, 28.02.2011 21:45

It's probably really heavy with all of that LEAD PAINT!!! But seriously, what an obvious ripoff of AMERICAN technology! Remember when the Clintons were getting so cozy with the Chinese?? Hmmmm, makes ya wonder.


Kadesh, 16.02.2011 19:22

Looks like a Russian MiG .44 (.144?)


Aero99, 13.02.2011 23:53

Another great Chengdu aircraft is the J-10


Aero99, 13.02.2011 23:51

There are much more Chengdu aircraft and I would like to learn more about this aircraft.


Aero99, e-mail, 12.02.2011 18:31

Although i must say it is a beautiful aircraft and it will probably go down in history


Aero99, e-mail, 12.02.2011 18:29

just to make it clear, it is said that the chinese stole the ideas for this aircraft from the Americans and Russians


James P. Hester, e-mail, 11.02.2011 02:13

Yes, does it come fully assembled and with all parts included? JPH


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