I know about Hanna Reitsch.

It is quite evident that Mr. Art Deco knows nothing about the Luftwaffe or world history. Area 51's use of advanced German rocket and jet fighters from World War II is well documented by the KGB. Stalin was convinced that Hitler was flown out of Germany by Hannah Reich or Anna Kreisling. It is a fact of history that KG-200 had this responcibility. Hitler made a monkey out of Stalin many times with his doubles.

The issue being discussed is the right to perpetrate mythology without verification. What are you doing holding onto old magazines anyway? I threw out some 20 years (incomplete) of Wings/Airpower so if I need facts, I remember. There's no oversight here, so don't quote. Besides, the sicherdienst files contain nothing of such flights and Anna (this Anna) did not exist.(the Michigan flights). The Bell existed but was inconsequential.

Nathan Cardiff wrote on 06.04.2009: "If you doubt this check out the August 1965 issue of AIR PROGRESS MAGAZINE." I have the August/September 1965 issue of AIR PROGRESS magazine and there is nothing in it concerning the Junkers JU 390, Anna Kreisling, or the New York flight. Does anyone know what issue he was talking about?

KG-200 was given the assignment of flying High Level Nazi spies into the United States of America. They also carried out photo missions of defence plants in Michigan.
This is why the CIA has deleted all files on Anna Kreisling. If the CIA harmed her, her husband would have the CIA'S NUTS CUT OFF, YES HE IS THIS POWERFUL, JUST ASK Bill Clinton and Oprah.
Also the Russians who know about ANNA KREISLING would use this information against the CIA. STALIN referred to Anna Kreisling as the White Wolf of the Luftwaffe. Her legendary flying at Stalingrad gave her this title, her legendary beauty inspired German troops everywhere.

KG-200 was given the assignment of flying High Level Nazi spies into the United States of America. They also carried out photo missions of defence plants in Michigan.
This is why the CIA has deleted all files on Anna Kreisling. If the CIA harmed her, her husband would have the CIA'S NUTS CUT OFF, YES HE IS THIS POWERFUL, JUST ASK Bill Clinton and Oprah.
Also the Russians who know about ANNA KREISLING would use this information against the CIA. STALIN referred to Anna Kreisling as the White Wolf of the Luftwaffe. Her legendary flying at Stalingrad gave her this title, her legendary beauty inspired German troops everywhere.

How can I debate with someone who reads Ultra intercepts? The junkers 390 had NO influence on the war because of a lack of production capacity and fuel to operate at Stalingrad in large numbers. The factthat a Japanese general whose job was co-ordinating axis losses may have got a ride in one is so picayune. Don't forget to read the sicherdienst files, but for me, I'm reding Winkle Brown and I prefer it. Perhaps, you should try some Harry Turtledove or Newt Gingrich. Not as dry.

Ah well for all the self appointed clowns at Area 51 I have found reference in a series of ULTRA signals concerning I-52 to the Japanese Embassy asking for Maj Gen Kotani to be given passage via next available U-boat back to Japan, therefore the Russian website's reference to a flight from Germany to Japan on 28 March 1945 does refer to a real Japanese officer. The flight is also corroborated by the autobiography of Hitler's armaments Minister Albert Spee.

Leo Rudnik is just a silly little boy who can't argue facts so resorts to childish behaviour. If he were a real man he'd debate it but he's just a boy.

Bradley the aircraft used on the eastern front on flights to Ningxia were flown by a small group of civilian test pilots in Kommando Nebel. One was Hans Joachim Matthias, another was Henry Quenzler, also Karl Patin and Erich Warsitz, but these were flown with some Ju-290 aircraft and not the Ju-390.

The Ju-390 only made one flight to Japan from Bardufoss Norway. According to the radio operator of U-234 the late Paul Hirschfeld after his U-boat suffered damage and put in for repairs in Norway, an aircraft carried some of the U-boat's highest priority cargo back to Japan.

Why would they keep dead Mexicans at Area 51, Fausto, Fausto, Oh my God, they got Fausto.

I am just a janitor, but after working at Area 51 for the last 23 years, I can tell you that there are a lot of German airplanes there. The six-engined Ju-390 and the four engined FW-200 Condor are there, Why? I do not know.
Yes a lot of dead Alien bodies, a lot of Alien hardware. But surprising a lot of WWII stuff. I can"t use my real name because they will kill you if you talk.

I remember a documentary narrated by someone who sounded like Richard Burton. Nazi Sturmcommandoes and pioneeren attacked a baseball stadium in St Louis. FDR immediately rebuilt the stadium and got replacement teams and fans and they made a newsreel of the game. when the Sturmcommandoes returned expecting Ritterkrosses,Hitler was livid. Perhaps Anna Kreisling's famous flight went over St. Louis. That would make sense.

HEY, I just found it, its in the NOV-DEC ISSUE OF AIR Progress about the junkers ju-390 overflying michigan and then NEW YORK!! Also I saw Anna Kreislings picture in the April 2001 issue of PACIFIC FLYER FROM AUSTRAILLIA.
what a fox!! She makes Playboy Bunnies look like boys! WERNER Baumbach head of the Luftwaffe Bomber command wrote about her having sex with Hitler and Eva, a 3 way!!
NO WONDER THE CIA IS KEEPING THIS STUFF SECRET!

My grandfather marcel was captured by the germans in romania and was one of the few captured aerospace engineers the luftwaffe used in the junkers 390 program. this spared him from the death camps as he was sent to work refitting the aircraft bomb bay to acomadate a new german device. All he knew of the device he said he learned by overhearing the project forman mention its name. "die Glocke"

Where can I get pictures of this aircraft?

Thanks

Ten years ago I saw Anna Kreisling at the Reno Air Races, she LANDED A DC-3. She was the co-pilot on the Junkers JU-390 THAT TOOK OFF FROM Bergen Norway, in Aug.1943, Then overflew CANADA, and photographed major Defence plants in Michigan. If you doubt this check out the August 1965 issue of AIR PROGRESS MAGAZINE. ALSO check out the summer issues 2001 of the Australian magazine Pacific Flyer, they sell back issues! You can see her picture, history everthing! In Miami BilL Clinton had his picture taken with her wealthy powerful husband not knowing that she was one of the top Nazi pilots in W.W.II.
She flew for two years with KG-200, VERY TOP SECRET STUFF.

I MET ANNA KREISLING IN LAS VEGAS, AMAZING WOMAN AND PILOT, SHE IS MARRIED TO A VERY WEALTHY INDUSTRIALIST. IF YOU WANT TO READ ABOUT HER AND SEE HER PICTURE, CHECK OUT THE PACIFIC FLYER ISSUE FROM Austrailia. Pictures of the JUNKERS JU-390 AIRCRAFT AND EVERYTHING. The CIA DOES NOT WANT THIS RECON FLIGHT TO BE WELL KNOWN.

Long after the war in 1968 Ju-390 project pilot Hans Pancherz who lived after the war in Barcelona, gave an interview about the Ju-390 and produced evidence from diaries and log books to substantiate a test flight he made to Cape Town and back.

In his post war memoirs Reichs armament's Minister Albert Speer wrote of a Ju-390 flight to Tokyo "via the polar route."

U-234 radio operator Wolgang Hirschfeld also referred to the Ju-390 flight to Tokyo in a book which he published in 2007. The U-234 was outbound for Japan in march 1945 when it collided underwater with another u-boat surfacing from beneath her. She put in to Kristiansand. There was a 72 ton discrepancy in her cargo manifest leaving Kiel and her unloading manifest at Portsmouth New Hampshire in 1945. Some of her cargo appears to have been flown to Japan.

A Russian website owned by Sergey Platov mentions a supposed Ju-390 flight to Japan on 28 february 1945 to deliver plans for Japanese construction of the Ju-390A series. Platov's site also claims a Japanese defence attache by the name Maj General Otani was also aboard the flight. I have found no other historic reference to Otani, but several Princes of the Japanese Royal Family masqueraded in the Japanese military under false names and ranks.

Prince Takeda for example was Lt Col. Miyata in Unit 731 and Prince Chichuba appears to have been Captain Wakabayashi.

In 1998 Polish wartime records were declassified and author Igor Witowski found file references at Berlin document centre and in Poland to the Ju-390 evacuating the Bell. device from Silesia to Norway. Witowski also found previously classified details of a Polish diplomat who witnessed the second Ju-390 being broken up on a German owned ranch at Psandayu Province in Uruguay, May 1945.

It appears that Pancherz's testimony after the war that only one Ju-390 ever flew was an effort to conceal the evacuation to Argentina of the Bell device.

There is considerable evidence however that after the Ju-390V1 was abandoned derelict at Dessau in November 1944 (and later destroyed in an air raid) that another Ju-390 was kept flying.

James Newsom, I note you don't want to correspond and just wondered please if you could give us some clues to help ferret out the information from other sources ourselves please ?

If your claim about Anna Kreisling is true it would held settle a huge debate with few witnesses.

On a website called axishistory forum someone there also claimed to know a male crew member from the New York flight and had a similar story that the flight went from Norway to Mont de Marsan. These people who had first hand knowledge will not be with us much longer. Please could you provide further clues ?

If you contact me directly via my email I would keep confidential anything you don't want in the public arena and not publish it until after those affected have passed away. I can appreciate some of this stuff is still classified in some vault somewhere.

I Study And The 390 is My Favroite Of All Planes In World war 2.

Ju390 is the aircraft used in 1945 to spirit away the super high tech secret project known as "The Bell" from its bunker. Apparently the Ju 390 and "The Bell" disappeared. This according to the book "The SS Brotherhood of The Bell" by Farell,available from "Military Issue" item #M103260. I think that this is more intriguing than the alleged recon of USA. inasmuchas there was also another bomber intended for the mission against USA., the Messerschmitt Me264 "Amerikabomber" with 4 engines. A model of this in 1/72 scale is available from "Historic Aviation" as item #96030D.

Try this where I am involved in a lively debate on the topic:
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/wwii-misteries-what-happened-ju390-2579-9.html

I am very intrigued about the transatlantic Luftwaffe flight that was over American soil. I have yet to see proof that this really occurred, however. Does anyone have a link or a reference, to shed a little more light on the subject?

Bradley, Albert Speer in his book "Inside the Third Reich" wrote about a flight to Tokyo "via the polar route." Later Dr. Wilhem Voss (Kammlerstab Prague) told British journalist Tom Agoston that the Ju-390 flew to Tokyo 28 March 1945. James is in fact referring to three Ju-290s flown in Deutsch Luft hansa markings, but registered:
KR+LP as T9+WK (lost over Russia)
KR+LM as T9+UK
KR+LN as T9+VK (lost over Russia)

You guys may be interested to read some of my research about how the second Ju-390 ended up being dismantled on an airstrip in Uraguay: http://www.lwag.org/forums/showthread.php?t=3372

Also I can't seem to use the email links here but am equally interested in the Norway-Michigan-France flight.

What was the original source for this please ?

The story of the transatlantic recon flight over Michigan and near New York City is very interesting, particularly because, as of the 1943 operational date, the United States and Germany had already been at war for over a year. It's hard to imagine that such a large and unique aircraft - nothing like it was in the United States' inventory - flying for hours at a ceiling of only 20,000 feet over heavily-populated areas, would not have been spotted by someone.

Hello
James you state that "Anna Kreisling a neighbor of mine was a co-pilot on the longest Recon flight of World War II. She took off from Bergen, Norway and overflew Michigan and New York City before landing at a Luftwaffe base in France"

Can you explain to me when this was? and what plane she was in?

Thanks
Andy

I AM LOOKING FOR MODEL OF THIS PLANE IN 1/48 SCALE.
DO YOU KNOW WHERE TO BUY IT ?

Six more Ju-390's were built in secret. They flew from Odessa to Japanese bases in China. Anna Kreisling a neighbor of mine was a co-pilot on the longest Recon flight of World War II. She took off from Bergen, Norway and overflew Michigan and New York City before landing at a Luftwaffe base in France.

This is my favorite German bomber of Wourld War 2!

P.S.If you know anything about it's first flight on the Eastren Front let me know.